Perhaps work on your own comprehension skills, when all I pointed out was your idea that responses puts others in the "driver's seat" and how laughable and ignorant such a take is when responses to slander and lies which are rampant on the platform are helping people clinch onto or stay leaning towards Sunni creed. Nowhere in my comment did I imply that newer work should not be supported and worked on. Not entirely sure where you pulled that one from, but if anything the points you suggested that need to be worked on would be agreed by all members here This thread and it's title as you may be referring to was created primarily for responses to be given, considering it's an issue that was raised before. So commenting on it and saying that we should not refute Devs or their likes because of some "driver's seat" is quite counter-productive in itself. If you want to promote new ideas like you have, go for it. But clearly an issue of laypeople being affected and swept away from Sunni creed that their family has held onto since the time of the Imam solely because of the sheer amount of attacks against the Barelwiyyah should be addressed, and that is done by responses to these threads. Your whole initial comment suggested that the focus should not be on responses. I did not at one point say you were suggesting to look past social media, but instead a vocal and important point, which is refuting lies and slander. "My suggestion is we stay in the driver seat and just focus on newer and newer content as" Not quite sure whether you remember what you wrote yourself and whether you grasp partial context or none at all from my reply to you from before. But putting words in my mouth isn't productive. No one is even suggesting responses to mawlid here. What is the point of you commenting on this thread and the required refutation when they go beyond small fiqhi issues and rather have to do with kufr and aqeedah? Who even comes to a thread all for refutations and says: "You know what, why are you doing this? We need our people to learn tajweed properly" No one disagrees with that. But time and place. This is literally what we are calling for as well. And guess what? When you tend to post these topics, they are very often countered with responses from that side. The Barelwi laypeople are already doing much of this, and can't answer back when they are quoted. Now you may surely suggest that if you can't answer, don't post. Which is the WHOLE REASON we are requesting others with 'ilm and the capabilities to focus more on platforms like Twitter. So no, I am not "only asking you to focus on #5", instead calling on people to help with #5. So please, read my reply again and stop with the red herrings.
you should learn to read and comprehend properly. don't try to be an overzealous defender of the Sunnis. if you are that zealous, become a Sunni influencer and do something yourself rather than directing the rest of us. see the thread title. we're talking specifically in the context of twitter. i didn't say we divorce ourselves from social media i said we focus on newer content because in the context of twitter - due to the nature, functionality, and user experience of the platform - it calls for more work again and again and again on the same topic, thus wasting time and energy of people who are doing something i didn't say we focus on something else. i said we focus on newer content (in general but twitter in particular) rather than losing time with replying to zombies on twitter who bring the same objections again and again. in any case, even if doing something else was implied, common sense and context dictate that it would have been something else would within the context of Sunniyat it's actually good that you said what you did, because i was thinking of expanding on that newer content part myself. --- we Sunnis are quite limited on content in my opinion. we are defensive, reactive and offer rebuttals, and not proactive, and we don't understand the concept of trojan horses. and in this case the trojan horse is legitimate. i've lamented about it in the past too. other sects do it and we still haven't learnt it. you don't have to call people to love the Sunniyat or Imam Ahmad Raza just by refuting deos and overzealously trying to defend disco naatkhwanis with half baked ratta-fied daleels for actual naatkhwani, that maulwis don't remember well in any case What IS our content? Anyone can count it on his fingers 1. Naatkhwani 2. Radd of devbandis and wahabis (not done properly, mostly just shouting) 3. Milad, 11win mahafil 4. A3ras of great people where their karamat and fazail are passed off as OUR knowledge 5. Offering our ratta-fied daleels/refutations AFTER the devs/wahabis attack us on a topic in the twitter context, you too are only asking us to focus on # 5. --- how about we think about fresh new content and bring people to Sunniyat and love of Ahmad Raza through THAT route. i assure you, you will find plenty of gold on just about any topic this is just a glimpse into the daily relevant talking points that the devbandis use as a trojan horse to lure innocent Sunnis into their side you can firstly focus on Quran and Hadith classes (Sunni ulama delivering them from SUNNI perspectives) where are we with tafsir, hadith, shuruh etc.? Tajweed (sorry but we are hovering around zero in this field. i hate the average Sunni condition in tajweed from the bottom of my heart. if someone brings in the desi/ajami excuse, i will tell him have you seen the Urdu/Punjabi speaking devbandis and their tajweed?) How about Salah? Somehow our people believe straightening the rows is a wahabi/devbandi thing and we have the license to leave as large gaps as we want, this was the way pre covid and post covid. now couple that together with tajweed, and you can see why the average youf detests praying with/behind Sunnis. we haven't even started talking about internal ahkam of salah and other details. Purdah - Quran and hadith based daleels. wahabis/devs teach it with daleels in their ijtemas and it works wonders for them in recruiting sisters who can then bring their husbands along How to deal with in laws - rights and duties of every side Raising kids I know tablighi jamat have seminars and lectures against dowry in india. Can't our mawlanas find any content on that in the Imam's works? it's directly relevant to desi culture. Do we know how taboo desi women consider widow and divorcee re-marriage? Do we know that we can make a full one weeks worth of lectures from Ala Hazrat's works on it, giving a well balanced and fresh perspective that would even pleasantly surprise many modern pro-feminist folks? Marriage advice and courses for the unmarried (see just about every modernist, wahabi, devbandi or heretic has a marriage course, or a course on the rights of husbands and wives - they sell like hot cakes with the youth. there's a good reason for it. we are humans and young folks are looking for partners and love and they are eager to do it in halal way if they can help it. marriage is a perfect trojan horse to pull these people into their manhaj and spread their misguidance. we watch while heretics pull our youth away) Other Fiqh - Employment contracts, business and Islamic finance are good starters OTHER refutations - we don't need to reinvent the wheel on the defense of Mawlid and 11win every time a jahil proffers his point of view. all the for and against arguments are out there for anyone wanting to delve into it. (for the last 250 years wahabis have been regurgitating their same jahil objections, and Sunnis have been refuting them) How about we try to scour the imam's work to refute the firangis on issues like feminism - you might not find it under a subject heading of feminism, but i assure you, you will find it there - just is hard work! Let's say you manage to extract a lot of material from Ala Hazrat's works refuting feminism, and you propagate that to woke men and women, and they are attracted to Sunniyat and Ala Hazrat, would it cause you a heartache that they didn't come to Sunniyat through the "traditional" route of chanting aloud "Ishqo Muhabbat Ishqo Muhabbat Ala Hazrat Ala Hazrat" or the after-Juma Salame Raza? How about telling the truth about devbandis from their own works? They lie about our imam with fabrications. we can show them their akabir's track record in adult-rated content, hindu-nawazi, and much more. why do we have to be reactive and defensive? we can be proactive and offensive. i promise you there's enough material in Fatawa Ridawiyyah that you can very well make people love Sunniyat and your imam dearly without doing any of the things we're currently doing or without propagating the limited content that we do propagate hope that puts my posts # 104 and 108 in context.
While all others are rampant on social media and slandering the Imam, influencing Sunnis outside the subcontinent on their views of the dispute, you're suggesting Sunnis (who are already doing very little) focus on something else? Rather more should be done on social media. Every group has notable individuals representing and defending their creed on there except for the Barelwiyyah. So when groups are misguiding laypeople from Sunni households or elsewhere and slandering Imam Ahmad Rida Khan, and responses are encouraged, it definitely isn't putting others in the "driver's seat"
