I agree with you @BaAlawi Servant in terms of personal attacks because that serves no purpose. However, there was no intellectual comments from Muzammil Shah and just personal insults. You have glossed over this and focused on Shaykh Asrar and in the main his father. I won't comment on accusations of lineage because we don't know the reality of what these claims are. There are a few who were not known as Syed's back home but come over and start claiming that. Memes and the like are a by product of today's society, as they were after the 'intellectual debates'.
It is Shaykh Asrar's own advice in 2019 and something he spoke against i.e the typical circle that we are used to from some of the older generation who choose personal attacks rather than intellect. This includes lineage accusations. Many people think this ordeal just has UFC and WCW/WWF promo vibes for clicks and views. The other worrying thing, like I said, is the amount of memes and mockery videos that people create because of this. This includes people making content against Shaykh's elderly father.
Do we really have to have an opinion about everything everytime. is it always necessary to voice out one's thoughts about the current big thing. Is sitting back, ignoring trivial matters & leaving it to Allah not an option. I think this gossip culture of ours is such a waste of time.
Well said @AbdalQadir because I don't see much criticism of Muzzamil Shah by the ones that use AI to post messages about adab and decorum. It's always the one that defends the truth that gets their comments and behaviour analysed to nth degree. These so called puesdo sufis just watch as charlatans do as they please.
standalone observation, mostly irrelevant to this feud: ON THE CONTRARY, some of the best rebuttals of the imperialists, islamophobes, yahoodis, etc. has been by simple meme's, so much that even tech giants are looking at censorship options for silencing the voices calling for justice and sanity, both within Muslim as well as nonMuslim citizenry. if it was only an observation, then there's no point even responding. you're right - who cares if he's an orange seller or an IT consultant? the thing is that he said it in a cheap manner, and didn't stop there. there was also a mention of "asli" and "nasli" and if i remember well, abuses hurled of not being "halal da" or something of that sort. then yes, he can and SHOULD defend himself - respond to verbiage with verbiage. there are times and places for copping insults with humility, for the sake of earning a reward from Allah. not a luxury deserved by obstinate, jahil, public enemies of Sunnah doing their level best to make a mockery of the deen, employing thuggish pressure tactics. ma sha Allah. may Allah protect the father and the son and all their Sunni relatives and cohorts from the sharr, hasad, and makr of these enemies of Sunnah. --- all these losers from the tafdili and rafidi camp who scream about being real or perceived "asli" and "nasli" - قَالَ يَا نُوحُ إِنَّهُ لَيْسَ مِنْ أَهْلِكَ ۖ إِنَّهُ عَمَلٌ غَيْرُ صَالِحٍ ۖ فَلَا تَسْأَلْنِ مَا لَيْسَ لَكَ بِهِ عِلْمٌ ۖ إِنِّي أَعِظُكَ أَن تَكُونَ مِنَ الْجَاهِلِينَ 11:46
https://youtube.com/shorts/9XObmSUHsIk?si=x58l5jK__p-jLyuL Guessing this is the video. Looks like he didn't actually say he would hit him with a stick. If he did say so, and it wasn't in the context of self defence, I'm sure people would correct him. On this forum, we have not always agreed with asrar rashid or his students or any antics in the past, search the forum. As for the cutting of the hair, seems to be metaphorical rather than saying he's just going to grab the guy. Don't think this video in itself is promoting violence so no need to get upset
Why did his father feel the need to “defend” himself at all? If he was an orange seller, the correct response would have been: who cares? Honest labour is infinitely more honourable than exploiting people through spiritual fraud. And if he wasn’t an orange seller, then a simple clarification that lies were being spread would have sufficed. End of. Instead, we were treated to a bizarre detour about Potha Sher and his stick followed by an utterly irrelevant reference to the Pakistani Army which probably was untrue.
Shaykh Asrar and his family have the full right to defend themselves against these village thugs - both in word and deed. I salute him and his dad for tackling these thugs head on, and the entire family being unified in their opposition to bid3ah without worrying about the antics of the juhalaa or their own reputations. The bs adab and pacifism of the faux sufis is certainly not the need of the hour for Muslims or Sunnis.
Great post brother! it’s sad to see. I’m not sure why Shaykh Asrar put his dad on video and I’m not sure why his dad threaten to beat someone with a stick given his age. Shaykh Asrar has now unfortunately got a label of being very aggressive..there was the Shahid Ali moment and now the videos that are appearing today. It’s a real shame. He could have defeated these fake pirs without being aggressive and without the thuggish behaviour we are all witnessing from him.
It is with a heavy heart and a deep sense of concern that we observe the current state of public discourse within our community. What should be a space for intellectual clarity and spiritual growth has, in recent days, devolved into a series of antics that can only be described as childish, reckless, and deeply unbecoming of those who claim the mantle of leadership. The descent began with words that should never have been uttered. For Syed Muzzamil Shah to mock the lineage and honest livelihood of Shaykh Asrar Rashid’s father—dismissively labeling him an "orange seller"—was a profound violation of Adab (etiquette). To insult a man’s father is to strike at the very heart of his honor. It was a low point that deserved a firm, yet dignified, correction. However, the response that followed has only served to deepen the wound. To see a scholar of Shaykh Asrar’s caliber respond by threatening to "cut the hair" of Haq Khatteb, and subsequently featuring his elderly father in a video threatening Syed Muzzamil Shah with physical violence with a stick, is a spectacle that has left the community in a state of bemusement, mockery and laughter. We must ask ourselves a difficult question: How are we to guide our youth away from the culture of violence and "road life" if our leaders are perpetuating those very same behaviors on camera? When we involve our elders, who are the symbols of our wisdom and peace in videos that promote physical confrontation, we break the moral compass of the next generation. The most painful realization is that these figures have become the subject of widespread mockery. The internet is now filled with memes, satirical edits, and laughter directed at both parties. This also leads to A loss of respect for the Deen: When leadership becomes a "meme," it loses its ability to inspire. The trivialization of the sacred: When spiritual debates are replaced by playground taunts, the public stops looking for guidance and starts looking for entertainment. The risk of escalation: While people laugh online, the tension in the real world grows. This "entertainment" has the potential to spark actual violence between followers who take these cues literally. We should call upon all parties involved to: Cease the digital theater: Remove the videos that incite hostility and threats of violence. Return to Silence: If a dignified response cannot be formulated, silence is a prophetic virtue. The eyes of the youth are upon you. The world is watching. Let us choose a path of dignity before this cycle of "antics" leads to a tragedy that cannot be undone Perhaps most alarming is the recent escalation into regional tribalism. Shaykh Asrar suggested that if people from Manchester want to be violent, they are "welcome to Birmingham," is to adopt the language of the streets—the language of gangs and "postcode wars." For years, we have pleaded with our youth to move away from city-based rivalries that have claimed so many young lives. When a leader uses his platform to issue what sounds like a territorial challenge and is swayed by the common man, he validates the very "road culture" that destroys families. This has become a dangerous provocation that risks inciting real-world violence between followers from different cities.
