Kufri statements in everyday kalām?

i watched some more and apparently the person justified his statements. even then it is clear that he did not take the meaning of 'khuda' and based upon his own admission, takfir can be avoided. though luzum is obvious.

jalali sahib insists that the word khudaa is used in only one meaning; but, he cannot impose his narrow reading on languages both persian and urdu. while he is correct in saying the word cannot be used in OUR time, he cannot retrospectively apply it like the tax laws of india.

the word khudaa in farsi is used similar to 'rabb' in arabic; of course, if it is used absolutely, it means Allah ta'ala but it can be used with a modifier, or an appended word (izafat).

take this dictionary - farhang e anjuman ara nasiri, published in 1871 (according to the library call card).

p.334




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and in this 1323 edition of ghiyasu'l lughat, it is a similar description, p.185





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the fact that it is acknowledged by linguists cannot be wished away by jalali sahib's insistence. as i said, while i agree with him that khudaa absolutely cannot be used - SHOULD not be used - but if someone did, they do not incur takfir, merely because of this reason that it has an accepted meaning.

jalali sahib not knowing the fact does not mean a thing, because he simply lacks the ability to do critical reading and analysis of texts independently. the most he can do is read out from books.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

Is the context enough for takfir?Apparently, one meaning of god(with a small g) is, "someone who is very important to you, who you admire very much, and who strongly influenced you"

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/god

Would the alternate meaning allow a mufti to avoid takfir in such a scenario?

 

you were again not clear. but at least you posted the link.
brother, do not take this as rebuke but a gentle admonition - and to other brothers. after you type your question, do not post. go out for a walk or have a coffee and come back to read again. think about the question - assume that those reading may not be able to peek in your head and therefore, try to give them a background for context.

khayr.

the ta'wil that khuda also has another meaning of 'malik' or 'aaqa' is only to avoid takfir. not to keep using it.

afzal qadri's statement is possible to ta'wil - reprehensible and distasteful as it is - that he was using the example of the verse to prove his point that an organisation cannot have two leaders. however, the manner in which he used it reeks of extreme jahl - ignorance. but the context is clear that he said 'the organisation cannot have two leaders'.

now the ta'wil that can be made here is - in his josh/zeal, it was a slip of the tongue and instead of saying "do qayid nahin ho saktay" he said "do khudaa nahin ho saktay."

given his jahl, i don't think he was aware of the lexical richness of the word.

if you are fair and considerate, you will see merit in my argument. not even the most foolish and ignorant among the peer-sahiban will call anyone as khudaa. and if this man and hsi followers later on dug in their pit and crafted excuses instead of a humble apology, it would be unfortunate (first time i came to know of this btw). but still, if the man himself denied that he meant 'god' he will be let off takfir.

Allah ta'ala knows best.
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cited from fatwa of mufti sharifu'l haq and i do not know on what basis he said this. it is known that he did not know english and he probably relied on some english-urdu dictionaries in the subcon, which can be hilarious.

you seem to know english - which english dictionary describes 'god' as 'muhafiz'?

yes, one can make an extrapolation that the Absolute Protector is God; but you cannot turn it around and say "God" literally means Protector.

and in all cases, the predominant usage will be considered as the rule and sarih saying.

in which case, you need to go back and polish your english vocabulary.

the context is clear - when mike tyson says what he says (as quoted above) - he means: 'i am all-powerful' and it is not meaning of 'muhafiz'
here he means i can subjugate and destroy the other.
where on earth does a boxer "protect" his opponent? how can the meaning 'muhafiz' be remotely used in this context?

the above statement is plain kufr. no excuses.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

what about the word "khudawandegaar". Some people were watching a turkish drama on mawlan rumi dubbed in urdu, and the dubbing teams used this word for mawlana rumi. I wan't watching it. But was this word okay.

 

I didn’t mean that. My mistake was that I wasn’t clearer. What I was trying to say is that in Dawat-e-Islami and Mufti Sharif ul Haq Amjadi’s fatawas, the taweel of Lafz-e-Khuda is done like Malik.

Link of Fatwa is https://www.fatwaqa.com/ur/fatawa/aqaid/shohar-ko-majazi-khuda-kehna-4998

So, will we declare takfeer on someone who abuses it, like Afzal Qadri? I am basically confused as to whether Dr. Ashraf Asif Jalali is trying to do Luzum or Iltizam kufr. The references given in the seminar on Lafz-e-Khuda pointed that Iltizam-e-Kufr would be done, but they actually did Luzum-e-Kufr. Also, some scholars defended Afzal Qadri’s position, and many scholars attended his Janaza.

Link of (Lafz e Khuda) Afkar e Raza seminar

At 1:38 Afzal Qadri says those words.

Of coarse, I was asking about Takfeer in this case as well.

Second question was about the word God. In Dawat-e-Islami Fatwa the meaning of the word God was done as Muhaffiz.

Link of Fatwa is https://www.fatwaqa.com/ur/fatawa/aqaid/allah-pak-ko-god-upar-wala-aur-miyan-kehna-kaisa

Let's suppose, for example, Mike Tyson said, "Once I'm in the ring, I'm a God." Now, should we do taweel or takfir, considering that one meaning of God is Muhaffiz?

Link of Video is https://www.youtube.com/shorts/DVtUwbbYg0M

 

you are mixing up urdu and english terms. God in english is used to mean 'ilaah', that is only one worthy of worship.

as for the term khuda in urdu, the dictionary lists other meanings such as: hakim, malik, aaqa.

the word - naakhuda - is widely used for the captain of the boat, sailor.
this is said to be a compound of two words: naaw+khuda = naakhudaa.
naaw means boat, ship.

however, one cannot use it for others, as that word has now come to only mean God; and therefore, alternative meaning cannot be an excuse to abuse that word.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

yes. why is it even a question?

unless of course you think that tawbah and tajdeed is like an item bought online and has strings and conditions attached to returning it.

 

Dear Brothers, Can we do Taweel in cases when a person refers to himself or another person as God or Khuda (in Urdu)? I have read some Dawat-e-Islami and Mufti Sharif ul Haq Amjadi’s fatawas in which there is taweel on the lafz-e-Khuda. Also, in one of the fatawas of Dawat-e-Islami, they said one of the meanings of God is Muhaffiz (in Urdu).


https://www.fatwaqa.com/ur/fatawa/aqaid/shohar-ko-majazi-khuda-kehna-4998

https://www.fatwaqa.com/ur/fatawa/aqaid/allah-pak-ko-god-upar-wala-aur-miyan-kehna-kaisa

 

jazak Allah sorry about that.

 

Bro, youre being unnecessarily verbose. You just reworded what said before 3 posts about bottlenecks in understanding. And this is the solution:

convince yourself that - i'm neither as pious nor as intelligent and qualified as the sahaba or pious predecessors to understand this point/topic, however i unrestrictedly believe in everything that Allah and His Messenger sal Allahu 3alaihi wa sallam want me to believe in, with the interpretation/manner that Allah and His Messenger want me to believe in.

 

so let's say that zayd had gone too deep into some creedal matters and now feels that he just wants to stick with basic creed. He thinks that he might have even misunderstood some points (some he remembers and some he doesn't). Some could've been points of iman and kufr. Some were points relating to iman and kufr (in the sense that even though they were deep points that weren't mentioned in tahawiyyah)

So he thought that I am just going to forget about everything and say that I believe in what is correct according to Allah most high and do tauba in case I adopted a wrong creed, and forget any misunderstandings I may have had, and forget any aqida I held which is not mentioned in tahawiyyah, and will just believe in tahawiyyah.

This is what I meant by "start afresh".

 

Start what afresh? The learning process? If you don't understand a topic, you are anyways starting afresh.

As for tauba, per your previous post, we all need to always do tauba from all our sins anyways. Ehtiyaati tajdeede iman can and should be done too routinely by all of us, considering the dajjalic times we live in.

 

so you can start afresh?

 

core aqaid (like those in Tahawiyyah, Sanusiyyah, Fiqh Al-Akbar etc.) are what are required of the common man.

if you do come across bottlenecks in understanding something advanced that you might have read in a book or something, what the ulama have said is to convince yourself that - i'm neither as pious nor as intelligent and qualified as the sahaba or pious predecessors to understand this point/topic, however i unrestrictedly believe in everything that Allah and His Messenger sal Allahu 3alaihi wa sallam want me to believe in, with the interpretation/manner that Allah and His Messenger want me to believe in. this will in sha Allah always safeguard your faith.

if and when you come across a proper scholar of the Ahlus Sunnah, you can ask him for further explanations or clarifications, if the topic is still lingering in the back of your head

Allah knows best.

 

salam

Let's say you feel like you have gone very deep with regards to some aqida matters and might have even misunderstood some of the creedal points, also said some kufria phrases (may Allah protect us all).

Now you just want to be like every other layperson, start afresh, not go deeper than the necessary aqida for one's salvation.

Can you start afresh? Meaning, can you do tauba from everything, read tahawiyyah and just have belief in that and forget everything from the past with a new start? Is that allowed?

 

28 Phrases of Kufr
https://www.dawateislami.net/bookslibrary/en/28-phrases-of-kufr-unbelief

 

I agree that consuming media should be avoided as such phrases of kufr are common place. You see things even in YouTube comments under Islamic videos. It's also common in music e.g. there's a famous qawwali of nusrat Ali Khan where he says something to the effect of 'I will do pooja (hindu worship) of you', also the one mentioned by AQ in his post, it's very common for western rappers to call themselves God or a Prophet in their lyrics (Nas, Jay Z, etc). There are famous TV shows such as the Simpsons where they dedicate entire episodes to attempting to mock Prophets.

On the point of tajdeed Al imaan- let's say zayd believes that wuqoo Al kizhb isn't disbelief. If he does tajdeed out of precaution in general terms but hasn't changed his belief, wouldn't it be the case that he remains in disbelief as a result since he continues to reject tenets of faith. Same for someone who has said the types of phrases in the original post for example- if they forgot they said such things, decided one day to do tajdeed of their imaan for some particular reason BUT they hadn't changed their opinion on the use of such phrases i.e. considered them permissible etc or not kufr. Then doesn't that mean he is not a believer in reality as his tajdeed has not been coupled with a change in belief/stance/etc?

 

Provided the children are baaligh/adults.

I'm not saying that inhibition is an excuse; since the need to repent and renew faith supersedes any inhibition.

 

salam

I remember watching a video of mufti akmal sahab once and he said that even your children (so either two sons, or two daughters and one son, or four daughters) will suffice for a tajdeed e nikah in sha Allah.

 

both videos are correct. it does not have to be a big event. it is easy.