Mahmud Sa'id Mamduh refutation

From a Tafzeeli's telegram channel, concerning the screenshot below :

"Ranking Sahabah/Tafdhil

For the brothers who want to be extra strict on the issue of Tafdhil of Sahabah, this is Habib Umar’s approval of the book by Shaykh Mamduh.
This matter is from the branch issues and it is not an essential tenet of Ahlus Sunnah.

The same fatwa was given by Qadi Abu Bakr al Baqillani, Shah Abdul Aziz Dehlawi, and others.
So please declare all of them to be outside the fold of Orthodoxy too.

Not everything your subsection of scholars believes in is a matter of consensus, nor can you make branch issues as fundamentals of belief"

 

Has anyone read Ghayat al-Tabjil by Mahmud Mamduh?

The work was mentioned in a chat with the claim that while PAQS has been refuted on this issue, this book advances views substantially similar, yet it has not attracted comparable criticism.

The book is endorsed by Habib Umar, and his endorsement too seems to pass largely without objection. In the endorsement, he states that no charge of tabdi applies to one who holds the view of superiority of one companion over the other.

 

the reason why anyone asks this kind of stupid questions is simply because of compound ignorance. people who don't even the capacity to pronounce the names of alahazrat's books and understand the meaning of words used by him, question his standing!

this is like someone asking, 'why is the collection of bukhari considered as the most sound book after the qur'an?' the poor jahil has no clue of hadith sciences nor the reason why bukhari's collection is superior to other collections even though there are hadith scholars far greater than bukhari himself.

because experience has showed that his fidelity in transmission of the position of ahl as-sunnah scholars is unmatched in these latter times. and therefore, he is the true representative of the jam'ah. alahazrat's saying is not like some maulvis in our age who snip quotes here and there and do not even cite properly - or internet formites whose knowlege is mainly gained by forums and youtube.

i have used a similar example before: when a donkey chances upon precious stones and diamonds, it doesn't find them of any value; it would be far more interested in finding fruit peelings or scraps perhaps. but when a lapidarist sees them, he rushes to scoop them and the donkey might be excused for wondering - 'what is gotten into him? he is picking up stones and things that are not even edible!' suppose it is not a donkey, but only a village idiot who has no idea of precious stones; even he would find this behavior of the lapidarist quite amusing.

only a jeweler can possibly assess the value of diamonds; not a street hawker who has spent his life peddling stale vegetables.

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can anyone bring a point-by-point refutation of alahazrat - whether in quotation or derivation in religious* matters? hypothetically, yes. as he is not a prophet, he is not ma'sum; so yes, the possibility of his making mistakes is there. but don't generalize this - show where alahazrat has erred and be objective about this.

the reason why i consider him as bullet-proof (actually i consider him proof) for sunniyat is because, i haven't come across any of his citation which is flawed or disputed or out-of-context. i have even cross-checked his references in hundreds of books (spread across various fatawa and books.) secondly, he is bullet-proof because, not just plastic bullets, even hard-metal bullets aimed by heresies, ricochet off you when you use his research as a shield.

the light of sunnah is protected by the kevlar of a scholar, sub'HanAllah.

alahazrat is found to be reliable and trustworthy again and again, unlike speakers/'scholars' in our times, who are touted as 'leaders of sunnis' who make basic errors and are routinely inaccurate when they quote something. illa maa shaa Allah.

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a person who is skilled in CPR, cannot be equated with heart-surgeon who has been doing surgery for 50 years and has thousands of successful open-heart surgeries behind him. who would a person go to consult when he has chest pain? a heart-surgeon or a local nurse who is skilled in CPR?

and why blame him if he goes to the skilled heart surgeon? and scorn him if he trust him and opens his heart to him and allows the surgeon to wield his scalpel upon his heart?

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Allah ta'ala knows best.



*fiqh, hadith, usul, aqidah etc. however, in secular sciences (astronomy, mathematics etc,) alahazrat might have been incorrect or might be disproved according to latest research, and when compared to newer data available in our times.

 

I will elaborate in full without any hesitation but to do that please answer my original Question where did the Ahle Sunnat start from? and why is everything written by Ahla Hazarat ra considered by some individuals bullet proof for Sunniat?

 

another unsubstantiated accusation. here, pay special attention to post #6

would Zulfiqar Hussain care to elaborate?

 

it was i who removed your posts, and you are free to imagine that it is because i am speechless. you are also welcome to prove where i have claimed alahazrat is ma'sum. while we are at it, we can discuss which part of my aqidah is 'plastic'.

 

Thank you for removing my Posts,People with limited knowledge that's all they are good at,remove Posts when they are speechless.A clear sign of sad Losers who believe Ahla Hazarat ra as Masoom.Shame on you and your plastic Aqeeda.

 

How apt is my Imam's (the Reviver of Islam, Imam Ahmad Ridha) words,

One must always be aware of one’s condition and not exceed the limits of one’s understanding. One must not be proud when praised and accept one’s faults when corrected. Therefore, the ‘Ulamā commented on Ibn-Taymiyya (d.729/1328),

His knowledge was bigger than his brain. [Al Malfuz]

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It makes a difference when someone who has no connection at all to Barayli Sharif in anyway, then suddenly claims to be a Brailawi when translating a topic - clearly and irrefutably - opposite to that of the major Baraylawi scholars.

I asked for a background to the translator and his connection, I guess we will not get an answer...I wonder why...

I like the way you guys always bring in the differences between the Imams of Fiqh and try comparing it with differences in creedal issues, now that's priceless comedy!

 

muhammadi,

accept it man. it is you guys who are going against the accepted ahle sunnat position by insisting that its okay to believe ali :as: was afdal and still remain in ahle sunnat.

if u followed ala hazrat u would admit your mistake but it is just a case of "our shaykh cannot be wrong" and bloodymindedness.

 

No one is disputing this.

Logical aspersions again.

Trust you to 'jump the gun'. Again, no one is disputing this. The point was that despite disagreement, he is still a hanafi. Nothing more, nothing less. Comprende?

No doubt.

masha Allah.

I will comment upon this cult mentality/philosophy later once I have finished translating relevant passages from tahqiq-e-iman-e-abu talib [radiyAllahu 'anhu], insha Allah.

Allah Ta'ala knows best.

 

we are ahl e sunnat. alahazrat is the imam of ahl e sunnat. barelwi is just his domicile. enemies of ahl e sunnat try to portray as 'barelwiyat' is a sect or something and short-sighted people take the bait.

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logical fallacies again.

imam muhammad was a mujtahid student of imam a'azam and and true, he disagreed with imam a'azam. however, for someone to come 1300 years later and claim that they can disagree with imam a'azam is audacity and is a pretty tall claim.

we consider alahazrat as a faithful transmitter of the opinion of our elders.

rarely, if at all, (wAllahu ta'ala a'alam) has alahazrat held an opinion, not held by the majority of imams in matters of aqidah and usul. this is why we find it safer to cling to him than others. he is the baqiyyatu's salaf. wa'lHamdulillah.

if people disagree with him on such points, it is not disagreement with alahazrat - it is disagreement with elders who held this opinion. and alahazrat is the jama'ah because he is a true representative of the jam'ah.

Allah ta'ala knows best.

 

Doctrinal, geographical and/or metaphysical, it doesn't make a difference.

Imam Muhammad ibn Hasan Shaibani and Imam Abu Yusuf disagreed with Imam-e-A'zam Siraj-e-Ummat Imam Abu Hanifah - radiyAllahu 'anhum - in many issues yet are considered ahnaf.

Imam al-Manatiqa Ustad al-Mudarrisin 'Allamah 'Ata Muhammad Bandyalwi - rahimahullah - differed with A'la Hadrat - rahimahullah - on the issue of Iman-e-Abu Talib - 'alaihisSalam - and even authored a superb refutation yet he is considered amongst senior barailawi 'ulama of Pakistan.

Surely you are not making the erroneous [yet comical] suggestion that refusing to subscribe to the ijma' negates one's "barailawiyyat"?

 

That Nisba of Brailawi, is it doctrinal or geographical? I have never know anyone in the history of Brailwiyya to denounce Ijma' on this issue. I would be interested to know more about the background of the translator and his claim on that Nisba.

 

I don't know who Shaikh Mamduh is nor am I aware of his background. Please kindly share authenticated/verified information regarding the Shaikh's 'aqaid, fiqh, opinions, etc.

ghayah at-tabjil is being translated by Mufti Muhammad Khan Sahib Qadiri Barailawi. Here is further information.

Shaikh Sayyid Yahya Husaini was mentioned because Wadood - being a victim of the smear campaign - referred to the noble sayyid as a "two faced snake" amongst other calumnies; la haula wa la quwwata illa billah!

 

Why is shaykh an-ninowi hafizahuLlah being mentioned here? This is about Mamduh, and more specifically his Ghayat at-Tabjil

 

Exposing the lies against 'Allamah Dr. Shaikh Sayyid Muhammad bin Yahya Ninuwi Husaini - click here.

More later, insha Allah.

 

Is it true that Mamduh says the folowing about the Saadah Ba `Alawi:

فيهم التعصب والقومية و ما هم إلا مقلدون لا علاقة لهم بالعلم

I have heard, too, that he accuses al-Imam al-Ghazali of Nasb, whereas Habib `Umar is fond of teaching the Ihya which contains the `Aqidah of ahl as-sunnah.

Apparently, when referring to the position of Abd al-Jabbar the mu`tazilite, he calls him `Abd al-Jabbar ash-Shafi`i with no mention of his I`tizal. He also said, according to the Rayyaheen forums:

سب علي أعظم جرما من سب الشيخين